Saturday, August 29, 2009

WaPo backs Cheney on EIT/torture
Tom Smith

If you waterboarded me, I would tell you what you wanted to know, and apparently KSM was the same.  Interesting also that this story would appear in the Post.  There seems to be some residuim there of the attitude that you should report even stories you don't like.

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Tom Smith


The post is run by neo-cons. The supported the war in Iraq, supported the torture. Why wouldn't they like this story?

And, by the way, it's false and misleading: he had admitted his 9/11 role before being tortured (e.g. to Al Jazeera's Yosri Fouda), and there's little evidence of value-added info after torture.

Actually, if you waterboard people,they tell what you want to hear, anything to make you stop. That's not the same as what you ought to want to know.

But hey, facts, who needs 'em?

Posted by: Accuracy | Aug 29, 2009 11:43:00 AM

the neo-con conspiracy is even bigger than I realized.

Posted by: Tom Smith | Aug 29, 2009 12:07:07 PM

"The Washington Post in 2009: Neocon Nirvana" --

Posted by: Accuracy | Aug 29, 2009 12:23:58 PM

yeah who needs facts like cia reports. just dismiss them since they're quoted in a story from that notorious neo-con outlet the wash. post. plus throw in a colossally stupid post from tpm. that'll do the trick. "These scenes provide previously unpublicized details about the transformation of the man known to U.S. officials as KSM from an avowed and truculent enemy of the United States into what the CIA called its "preeminent source" on al-Qaeda. This reversal occurred after Mohammed was subjected to simulated drowning and prolonged sleep deprivation, among other harsh interrogation techniques. "KSM, an accomplished resistor, provided only a few intelligence reports prior to the use of the waterboard, and analysis of that information revealed that much of it was outdated, inaccurate or incomplete," according to newly unclassified portions of a 2004 report by the CIA's then-inspector general released Monday by the Justice Department." i think mr. accuracy doesn't know how to read.

Posted by: unabletoread | Aug 29, 2009 5:02:24 PM

Some people believe Bush/CIA spinners; others delve a bit more deeply. Try reading a real analysis, such as Glenn Greenwald's at

"What makes the Post's breathless vindication of torture all the more journalistically corrupt is that the document on which it principally bases these claims -- the just-released 2004 CIA Inspector General Report -- provides no support whatsoever for the view that torture produced valuable intelligence, despite the fact that it was based on the claims of CIA officials themselves. Ironically, nobody has done a better job this week of demonstrating how true that is than the Post's own Greg Sargent -- who, in post after post this week -- dissected the IG Report to demonstrate that it provides no evidence for Cheney's claims that torture helped obtain valuable intelligence.

"That the released documents provide no support for Cheney's claims was so patently clear that many news articles contained unusually definitive statements reporting that to be so. The New York Times reported that the documents Cheney claimed proved his case "do not refer to any specific interrogation methods and do not assess their effectiveness." ABC News noted that "the visible portions of the heavily redacted reports do not indicate whether such information was obtained as a result of controversial interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding." TPM's Zachary Roth documented that "nowhere do they suggest that that information was gleaned through torture," while The Washington Independent's Spencer Ackerman detailed that, if anything, the documents prove "that non-abusive techniques actually helped elicit some of the most important information the documents cite in defending the value of the CIA’s interrogations." As Sargent reported, even Bush's loyal Terrorism adviser, Frances Fargos Townsend, admitted that the IG Report provides no basis for what the Post today is ludicrously implying..."

There's more if you go to the source.

How strange that the right wing (and The Right Coast) has now been reduced to cheering for government torture -- not just a war crime, not just a sin, but the ultimate in organized government tyranny.

Posted by: Accuracy | Aug 30, 2009 7:33:29 AM

Isn't "Greg Sargent" one of Gleen's sockpuppets? The neo-cons at the Post must be really stupid to let "Greg Sargent" make "post after post" at the Post purportedly undermining the cabal.

I think "Sargent" slides one past his neo-con masters by insinuating that "the documents released" are in fact "the documents requested." Now that we know that isn't true, I expect the neo-cons will part with more than a few shekels to force the release of the "real" documents. Shekels. YKWIM, Accuracy?

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