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November 13, 2009

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Larry

I too despise goatees. I didn't realize that the fad for them began in prisons. I'm told that a lot of recent ridiculous fads began in prison: use of black prison slang, wearing baggy pants that ride low on the hips and drag the ground, shorts so absurdly long they resemble women's capri pants, etc.

No non-felon (except undercover cops) should mimic the felon look. I suspect one reason a lot of guys go this route is to attract girls, who are drawn to the bad boy look. Being next to a thugged out guy seems to give many girls a tingle in their nether regions.

Tom Smith

Yet more sociobiology in action.

Lou Gots

Why in the world should anyone wish to identify with the inmate criminal underclass? That is truly sick--death-oriented, dirt-affirming. It is saying "no" to virtue, truth and life, an act of culture-treason.

It makes me think of that fabulous couplet from Alexander Pope's Prologue to Addison's Cato. Ever the pedant's delight, Pope folded one subtle allusion inside of another to exzlt British drama over French in the aftermath of the War of Spanish Succession:

With honest scorn, the first famed Cato viewed,
Rome's learning arts from Greece, whom she sebdued.

To take one's culture from criminals, losers, failures--sick indeed.

dearieme

I was taught French at school by a chap who sported beard, 'tache and beret in the French style. He'd been on attachment (we all believed) with the Resistance during The War. He'd have been just the boy to garotte a few goatee-flaunters.

yara

though i did meet a guy once who had a natural goatee, that is, he didn't shave and there was a clear, hairless, separation between his sideburns and the rest of his facial hair.

Tom Smith

the natural goatee may be an exception. We have a well known legal scholar on our faculty, quite elderly now, who sports a French beret sometimes. He was in the OSS and had been behind enemy lines in France on various occasions, and so was entitled to do so I suppose. I asked him once how he found the Gestapo as an enemy. "Formidable," he said.

William Sjostrom

This is silly. Goatees have been around forever, and are perfectly respectable. My grandfather had one, and he died in the 1950s, and was a pillar of respectability, married to a high society woman. I have seen group pictures of him at academic conferences (he was not an academic, but he was a chemist who ran the research division at Corn Products), and a lot of the fellow dignataries had goatees.

Tom Smith

It is the new goatee that is the menace. The old goatee is something entirely different.

John Bowman

Just to be picky about language, you appear to have succumbed to a common misconception. The facial hair that wraps around the mouth from mustache to chin is properly known as a Van Dyke. A goatee is a small chin beard. This became amusingly known at the conservative corporation I work for when they finally, just a few years back, announced that beards would be allowed, but not extreme facial hair, such as a goatee. A young fellow soon showed up with the ring around the mouth that most do call a goatee. His supervisor showed him the stipulation in the regs and told him to change it. Instead he came back with a chart from a barber school, displaying the various types of facial hair. The supervisor backed down, and the powers that be, rather than admit their ignorance, just ignored the issue. But I know, language changes, it's a goatee. Sigh...

Eddy

Put two horns on anyone with a Gaotee/Van Dyke and they look like the devil. The modern intent is to look tough and be intimidating, it makes most men look ugly and evil, period, and is not flattering.

Many men have currently said they did it to be different, but since so many have done it recently, it makes you just one of the crowd. To be different is to not follow fads and trends, and be yourself. Just like Tatoos, it's like throwing mud on a painting and tasteless for most men.

Look at the Harley guys, they all have the Goatee/Van Dyke, to look mean and intimidating, bunch poser wannabes in my opinion, that need to get a life. They would be better off wearing a sign saying: "look at me, I'm insecure, so look at me" which is far closer to the real reason people get tatoos and sport intimidating beards.

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