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June 25, 2009

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Matt Lister

Hasn't this guy ever heard of cold showers or push ups?

Apparently digging holes in your back yard with an excavator isn't a good substitute.

I think in a deeper sense this is all the fault of liberals.
I'd be hugely shocked if infidelity was more common now. (It was, for example, extremely common and largely expected in Victorian England, at least for men. That was also the pre-internet hay-day of pornography.) What's different now is that women are less likely to put up with it or just accept it or pretend its now happening. When this is with a politician, he must then have a press conference to preempt this. I'm almost certain that the rate hasn't changed, or at least not much, just the publicity level.

Mike

Fault of liberals? LOL and what?

Cheating has been an American affair for decades. Especially in the South.

Tom Smith

Blaming liberals is somewhat tongue in cheek.

ML -- I know there is the view that it was common among Victorians. I read The Other Victorians years ago and it took that view I think. But I am skeptical. It would be hard to measure this. I don't know if there are any real studies worth believing.

I just bought some of Himmelfarb's books on the Victorians that I'm looking forward to.

golddog

Matt Lister is correct. I bet that infidelity occurred at the same rate in the past (i.e., pre-sexual revolution). The only difference now is that the media is willing to expose it for influential figures and that spouses that have been cheated on are less willing to put up with it.

If anything, perhaps this openness creates an incentive for husbands (or in rare cases, wives) to not cheat because the threat of his (or her) spouse leaving is much more realistic.

"I don't know if there are any real studies worth believing."

I may be off mark, but this quote sounds like you're saying that you won't believe any studies that differ with your pre-conceived ideological biases. Alas, rationality and supporting ideas through empirical evidence seem to no longer be central to "the right."

M.A.

Ah, yes, the good old days of honor suicide. Clearly the kids are much better off with insurance money than a disgraced dad. Family values indeed.

Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk

Golddog, I think you are off the mark. What Professor Smith almost certainly is suggesting is that there's not likely to be much in the way of reliable empirical data regarding private, illicit conduct (and this may be especially so with respect to the prior periods of history), hence his preceding remark: "It would be hard to measure this."

M.A.

And by the way, isn't it great that gay people can't be married? I mean, it would be a real shame if they were to be permitted to ruin the sanctity of marriage for the rest of us.

Commodore

M.A., are you suggesting that radically redifining marriage in contravention to millenia of practice does the same degree of harm to the institution as does the infidelity of a single man? If so, I suggest you back up your claims with actual argument.

Matt

I hate to disgress, but I agree with M.A. on the gay marriage elephant in the room.

Commodore, Was not allowing divorce radically redifining marriage? I mean, it fundamentally changed the nature of the relationship to know that you could get out of it later and that it is not 'til death do you part. As regards to "millenia" of practice, thats tough to comprehend (based on historical support of polygomy and banning of divorce). Men marrying multiple women seems to have been the norm thousands of years ago. We all just need to accept that it is tough to defend the sanctity of marriage with a straight face no matter what your political or regilious beliefs are.

Matt

This is almost as good as when that evangelical leader in Colorado admitted to doing meth with a young male prostitute. But hey, at least Bill Clinton didnt go incommunicado and fly to Argentina to get his blow jobs. Hopefully Sanford's mistress isnt as fat or ugly as Lewinsky was.

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