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May 16, 2006

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For some reason, most think of Mormons when considering polygamy, and completely ignore Muslims. Ploygamy is common among Muslims, and completely legal in many Muslim countries. Many of these plural marriage families visit or move here -- why do we not see them arrested? Why do we not hear demands for their prosecution?

FWIW, I agree with the post -- there are more important things to worry about that this.

Corkie the Dog

Corkie - The plural marriages from that group aren't prosecuted because (a) the women don't come forward (they risk shunning at best and "honor killing" at worst) and (b) the authorities don't want to rile up that that group up (messing with Mormons or Christians is lauded by the press and garners no negative repercusions while messing with Moslems gets one branded a racist in the press and risks violent backlash).

The short answer as to why your civil marriage vs. purely religious 'marriage' distinction doesn't work is that the Supreme Court says it doesn't. The 19th century Mormons tried getting by with just one civil marriage and multiple religious 'marriages,' and the Supreme Court upheld congressional statutes that outlawed the practice. But the practice still lasted for awhile because enforcement was, for the reasons you point out here, durn difficult. How do you prove that someone is 'cohabiting'? (which I believe means more legally than just living in the same residence).

In Utah it is the bigamy statute that criminalizes bigamous cohabitation.
State law makes illegal cohabitating (generally defined by Utah courts as common residence with "conjugal association") with someone while married to another.

THAT is what strikes many as unconstitutional.

Morover, in Utah the bigamy statute is selectively enforced. Note that in the Holm case his second "spiritual wife" was sixteen years old. There are thousands of polygamists here (in Utah) who the government ignores so long as their relationships do not involve child abuse or welfare fraud.

i'm ambivalent about gay marriage or plural marriage or other non-traditional forms of attachment. however, i can't see any logical reason to bar one non-traditional form and allow another. so, here's my vote for marriage consisting of two women, one man, and a goat.

It seems that even in the face of this utah statute, those who want to have multiple wives can just refrain from having any legally recognized marriage, make ALL the wives "religious" in nature, and have some sort of co-tennancy in what they wish to share as "religious marital property" (if thats what they want).

i think the morman religion is sick, sick, sick, i had a morman neighbor once. she had eleven children, all of who were underfed, white as ghosts, hardly ever played outside, and an egomanical sense that their life and famioy were the beast in the world. i saw the wife taken advantage of and treated like she was an inferior being, while her husband was appointed bishop. the children were indeed very smart, and won scholorships to college but after two yrs dropped out to get married and propagate the morman faith. what about the children who really needed those scholorships her eight children won. fortunately all my children had scholorships to prestigious schools. it was a very sick way of life,. children with dark circles under eyes for lack of sun and playtime, and food.

Why not let the women decide? What about if some wome prefer to share one alpha male than being the only one for a loser?

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